Heavier Freeman Named Starter |
![]() Rookie quarterback Josh Freeman was named the starter for the Bucs Nov. 8 game against the Packers (Cliff Welch) |
Bucs head coach Raheem Morris announced that rookie QB Josh Freeman is the starting quarterback. Freeman commented on making the first start of his career against the Packers on Nov. 8. QB Josh Johnson will be the backup. Offensive coordinator Greg Olson also discussed Freeman's weight gain since being drafted.
"Josh Freeman will take over as the starting quarterback for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers," Morris said. "That's no discredit for what Josh Johnson has done for this football team. He's given his best efforts, but due to the preparation and the timing, we want to implement a young man into our system, our town and our community. We think it's the best coming off the bye. It's the most time to prepare. It's the most time for him up until this point, and it's time to see a little Josh Freeman."
The 21-year old rookie Freeman said being named the starter does not change his approach to preparing for the next game, and being the Bucs signal caller.
"No not at all," said Freeman. "All that matters is the Green Bay Packers right now. We have a bye week. I have a little bit more opportunity to prepare for what the Packers are going to bring. It is one week at a time. My mind set right now is to prepare as best as I can and go out and do what I do, which is play football. And try and find a way to get a win."
While Freeman said his preparation is staying the same, as the starter he is trying to take on a different attitude and presence for his teammates.
"Obviously it is something that is very exciting for me," said Freeman. "It is something I've been working towards my entire career. It is something that I'm not taking lightly. I come out with a different swagger I guess, because I'm the guy taking the majority of the snaps and I got to, I guess, radiate that type of swagger so my teammates can catch on to it."
Freeman was selected with the Bucs first-round pick in the 2009 NFL Draft. Tampa Bay traded up from the 19th overall pick to the 17th pick held by the Cleveland Browns. Morris and Freeman worked together at Kansas State in 2006, Freeman's freshman year. Freeman said watching the first seven games of the season have given him an opportunity to learn a lot.
"I've learned a lot. I've had the opportunity to watch it from a different point of view, and see things unfold," said Freeman. "I feel like I've really grown as a passer and leader on this team."
Fellow first-round picks Matthew Stafford and Mark Sanchez started for their teams in Week 1. Freeman was asked how hard it was to be on the bench while other players in his status were starters from day one.
"It was definitely one of those things where I don't feel comfortable sitting on the sideline," said Freeman. "I'm in my element when I'm out on the field, but also I had to look at it as an opportunity to sit back and learn a lot of things. Working with coach Olson, I definitely feel I've learned a lot. I feel a lot more comfortable in this offense."
PewterReport.com has reported that Freeman was overweight earlier this year, and he has some documented conditioning issues dating back to his Kansas State days. On Wednesday, offensive coordinator Greg Olson revealed that Freeman weighed 270 pounds, but later clarified that comment when PewterReport.com asked if he misspoke. Freeman is listed at 6-foot-6, 248 pounds on the team roster. The Pewter Report staff has noticed that Freeman has gotten bulkier since May when he debuted at the team's rookie mini-camp.
"He's probably 265 pounds," Olson said. "He's right in there. He's big. He's more than [the 248 listed on the roster]. He's probably 260. He's at least 260."
When asked if Freeman is currently overweight, Olson said, "No."
Freeman made his professional debut against the New England Patriots in London. With the Bucs down 35-7 in the fourth quarter, Morris inserted Freeman into the game. He was 2-of-4 passing for 16 yards. He was sacked twice. On one of those sacks Freeman fumbled the ball and it was recovered by left tackle Donald Penn. Freeman was also called for a delay of game penalty.
"It was one of those things there were four attempts," Freeman said. "One was a throw away. There were a couple things obviously I felt like I could have done a lot better, but it was one of those things where I got a pass out to [Kellen Winslow]. I completed my first pass to Brian Clark, but I was also high to Sammie Stroughter. It is going to be a matter of just settling down and letting the game come to me, and making the throws I know I can make."
After the game, starting center Jeff Faine teased that the big difference with Freeman in the game was that he could hear Freeman clearly compared to how the soft-spoken rookie speaks in practice. Freeman laughed about that, and explained the difference on game day.
"He was joking about it because in practice I went in there and said it like I'm talking now," Freeman said. "In the game I was making sure there were no questions after we broke the huddle. I enunciated it, said it loud, and let's rock-and-roll."
In part-time action in four preseason games with one start, Freeman completed 44.9 percent of his passes for 238 yards with one touchdown and three interceptions. He ran the ball eight times for 75 yards and one touchdown. His quarterback rating was 41.0. Since the preseason Freeman said he has put in a lot of work to get better.
"It is one of those things coming in as a rookie you are behind," Freeman said. "You haven't had a season under your belt of playing against NFL defenses, and with me I've never really been in an offense with this type of terminology and volume. It is one of those things where I felt like if I was going to be able to play and be successful on the field I was going to have to come in and put in a lot of time to get ready."
Moving to the backup quarterback spot is Josh Johnson, who started the last four games. He completed 50.4 percent of his passes for 685 yards with four touchdowns and eight interceptions. Johnson was sacked 11 times, and ran the ball 22 times for 148 yards (6.7 average). His quarterback rating was 50.9.
"For sure, just his demeanor," Freeman said of learning from Johnson. "The way he steps up and converted a number of third-and-longs, and just how he played tough. Watching the film, and watching him run the offense, he has a good grasp of the offense. I was watching the things he did well, and learn from some of the mistakes he made."
Veteran free agent addition Byron Leftwich started the Buccaneers first three games of the season. He completed 54.2 percent of his passes for 594 yards with four touchdowns and three interceptions. His quarterback rating was 71.2. As a team the Bucs have completed only 51.9 percent of their passes with eight touchdowns and 11 interceptions. The inaccuracy of the passing offense is something that Freeman and the wide receivers are working on improving.
"It is just a matter of getting on the same page. Today we had a lot of seven-on-seven reps with different concepts down the field," said Freeman. "We're trying to time things up with [Antonio Bryant], and time things up with Sammie Stroughter, a number of guys. Trying to get in work and a feel without a live rush, and just dropping back and letting the ball go on time."
Freeman will have to adjust to the speed of the game, but does not see that as being a big issue.
"It is definitely something that you have to adjust. That'll be something that happens fairly quickly," Freeman said. "I think that it is really going to be reading coverages, and getting us in the right protections with Jeff Faine. I feel really good about that. I have a little bit of a cushion to fall back on with Faine. He does a great job of making the calls."
Comments
ancil
1:36pm, October 28, 2009
pinkstob
Go Freeman and go Bucs!!
1:40pm, October 28, 2009
Jermo727
1:43pm, October 28, 2009
sunrisejeff
1:44pm, October 28, 2009
jongruden
Packers 41, Bucs 6
1:49pm, October 28, 2009
bucs&bolts
1:59pm, October 28, 2009
pinkstob
Like it or not if you're rooting for the Bucs Freeman is your QB through at least the 2010 season, barring injury. Nothing will change that.
2:06pm, October 28, 2009
Buc4life33
2:14pm, October 28, 2009
1bucfanjeff
pinkstop and sunrisejeff are correct.
Love him or hate him, Freeman is going to get his shot to learn the pro game more and get a leg up on the 2010 season.
NONE of us, even the official guru's in the NFL, no whether or not he'll make it. It's all educated guess work, and that holds true for ANY position. QB being the hardest to gauge.
Freeman, I'm pulling for you, good luck - may the force be with you.
2:19pm, October 28, 2009
1bucfanjeff
2:20pm, October 28, 2009
tyork
2:22pm, October 28, 2009
tyork
2:24pm, October 28, 2009
cremdonado
Anyone who thinks the creamsicle Bucs are going to beat a Packers team that A) has beaten Brett Favre and is pumped
or B) a Packers team that is pissed from losing 2 games to Brett Favre and is pumped,is dumber than Raheem Morris...
Ready or not ,Freeman gets the call-this proves that Heem had no other plan for this season than watching his boy toy hit the field..
After next week start by Josh,people will be beggin for Leftwich(Anyone who would like to see the Bucs have a chance to win at least one game that is).The kid is a mess-he now has two weeks of starter reps,and thats going to turn it all around ?! Give me a break,I'll believe it when I see it..
2 of 4 for 16 yards,sacked twice and fumbled and a penalty-
future is looking bright my friends....
I can't wait to watch this car wreck...Even if Josh is ready,he will suffer from lack of coaching..
Here is a prediction for you- I predict Freeman stinks it up sooooo bad that the following week he suffers a "mysterious" injury or ailment ,and is replaced by Leftwich or Johnson as starter the following week..This will be Morris and the Gayzers saving face for yet another bad decision made by this organization...
Heem- I though you loved your lil man,but it was all a lie..You are pushing the kid into a game who is not ready..He has physical tools to deal-but what about the mental skills? I'm not saying Josh is dumb,just a bit naive about where he is right now..
This team is coming apart at the seams,the coaching is horrible,and the team has given up on the chance for a win(starting a rook with 9 mins exp. over a seasoned vet-AND you are doing it to win ?!?!-yeah right !!),he is being set up to fail..This will not be a pretty introduction to the NFL by no means,does he have the mental toughness to weather this storm os early in his career ?Heem thinks so,and heem has pushed for this since draft day...I just hope he is right,because a young man and his career are at risk..Heem and his decision making is as suspect as can be,thats why I see a grim outcome for Freeman..I hope I'm wrong...
I believe Freeman is just not ready....
He could add to the creamsicle curse or break it,its worth watching just for that reason...
2:34pm, October 28, 2009
cremdonado
2:35pm, October 28, 2009
eric2706
2:36pm, October 28, 2009
1bucfanjeff
"Morris said that the plan is for Freeman to start the rest of the season -- and beyond -- regardless of the won/loss record."
2:37pm, October 28, 2009
tjones
So good luck josh hope your our franchise QB and can make a difference .
This will probably be my last post unless something good comes out of the rest of the season, ill continue to read everyone elses though.
2:37pm, October 28, 2009
bucswillwin
""Obviously it is something that is very exciting for me," said Freeman. "It is something I've been working towards my entire career. It is something that I'm not taking lightly. I come out with a different swagger I guess, because I'm the guy taking the majority of the snaps and I got to, I guess, radiate that type of swagger so my teammates can catch on to it."
Fake it until you make it baby !
Pretend you are a great quaterback and who knows... you might start acting out your imagination. It may take you a bit but at least you'll have a vision to aim for rather than running around in circles trying to please a bunch of coaches who are as green as you.
Someone needs to start demanding success around here. That person and the person who follows them will not be fired.
2:46pm, October 28, 2009
lprock22
2:57pm, October 28, 2009
Deez Nuts
3:12pm, October 28, 2009
davdar
3:18pm, October 28, 2009
Deez Nuts
Your post was good. I agreed with everything you wrote.
Especially when you called yourself a Douche
cremdonado=Douche
3:23pm, October 28, 2009
jmcdanl
3:29pm, October 28, 2009
jmcdanl
3:31pm, October 28, 2009
jongruden
3:32pm, October 28, 2009
jongruden
Trapper-RIP
Flyboyindallas-RIP
jdouble- has switched alliances with me and bucfan47 all he does is bitch on bad the team is now
Pinkstob- somehow still clueless on the direction of this team and makes excuses for Morris
who ever is left surrounding the punch bowl I urge you to join me, bucfan47 and pewterpirate99 and live in the real world
3:36pm, October 28, 2009
gg72049
As bad as our qb's have been it would have been nice to have some coaches who could have at least given them a fighting chance to be somewhat successful. What a sorry set of freaking coaches this team has running this team!!!!!!!
3:51pm, October 28, 2009
gg72049
4:01pm, October 28, 2009
Barack-007
GO BUCS
4:08pm, October 28, 2009
pinkstob
Aqib, T-Jack, Wilkerson and Ruud have proven to be talented players. The defense has improved from 31st to 27th overall. Still bad, but an improvement nonetheless in the presence of great passing attacks (Philly, New England) and running attacks (Carolina).
I don't pay you enough attention to point out how often you're wrong, but if you want to keep score let's see how accurate your score prediction above turns out.
Again, while some people are trying to put the focus on themselves this is about the Bucs having a new QB that could turn out to be pretty good. As always, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt until he proves otherwise.
4:38pm, October 28, 2009
jongruden
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4:50pm, October 28, 2009
bucfan47
What I'm wondering is if all of us will look back to week 4 when Leftwich was pulled and wonder had Morris not jumped the gun so quickly, stuck with Lefty for 12 weeks and allowed Freeman to play the final four games, would we have had a couple wins? Anyone want to argue NO? Because I think we would have won a couple.
That's the issue that leaves me scratching my head. It's cool I guess, but it's still amazing that Morris would rather give Freeman and Johnson (who should have never played a down) experience at the mercy of possibly losing his own job. If he gets fired for going 0-16, Johnson and Freeman should at least take a portion of their salary and give it to Morris.
He has literally provided Johnson the opportunity to play in games he would have otherwise never saw the field. And he's now allowing Freeman to play when he should still be learning and NOT playing.
Priceless.
5:01pm, October 28, 2009
Horse
Do not spend one penny if these owners get any part of it.
We don't have a vote, but we have a right to protest.
5:14pm, October 28, 2009
lprock22
5:27pm, October 28, 2009
pewterpirate99
For those that don't know the Bucs said don't want us fans/posters referring to Rah Rah as Radio, they don't like that. Well since the Bucs don't like that we all better stop. HAHAHAHAHA, I'll get right on that. Listen up Bucs especially Glazers, as long as RADIO is our coach we will continue to call him RADIO and if you don't like it.......TOO F@$KING BAD!!!!!!! How dare you try and tell us what to say and how to express ourselves!!! You were the ones that hired him and it's not our fault that they have a resemblance, in more ways than one.
As far as prediction for Freeman.... to quote Clubber Lang, " Pain! " I hope he proves me wrong, but I haven't been wrong about this season yet. I say Packers 38 Bucs 7, and I'm being generous. I still say 0-16, I don't see them beating anyone left on there schedule.
5:36pm, October 28, 2009
pewterpirate99
5:38pm, October 28, 2009
pinkstob
If you had read any of my recent posts you would've seen that I've pointed out many of the same things you just said about Ruud when bucfan47 and jongruden claimed Ruud was the best player on the defense. Ruud is a good player, just not great. He's just not a great fit for this style of defense.
The players on defense I named have talent. The defense has improved. I even said right after that they were still a bad defense. Again, did you even read any of this?
5:47pm, October 28, 2009
jongruden
5:53pm, October 28, 2009
cremdonado
I guess I opened myself up to it...At least you didnt call me something offensive like " J double" !!
5:57pm, October 28, 2009
cremdonado
6:01pm, October 28, 2009
tillmanboys
6:30pm, October 28, 2009
lprock22
And you ALSO refered to Ruud as a talented player...talented how so, that he's in the NFL...ok I'll give you that. But he hasn't done anything else for me lately to make me agree that hes 'talented' in a noteworthy sense. I mean Josh Johnson is talented enough to be in the NFL but he's not talented enough to not be a lower tier NFL QB and therefore not talented in any consequential fashion...same with Ruud. He's talented enough to be in there but not talented enough to raise the play of this defense....he's AT BEST a system LB or (which I think is the more likely of the two) a complimentary player meaning he's only 'good' if he has excellent (and I mean TRULY TALENTED) LBs flanking him on both sides to cover up his mistakes and above avg. DL to keep blockers off him. If he has to step up to the point he's going to lose that battle most times. He's NOT Talib talented or Jackson talented, those guys make game changing plays, they just dont have a team around them to take advantage of them when they happen. I'd say at best Ruud is servicable, which basically means he'll do until we find someone better....I think Wilkerson is pretty much the same way but he's better at taking advantage of his opportunities.
6:38pm, October 28, 2009
jongruden
7:03pm, October 28, 2009
pinkstob
Ruud has made very few splash plays this year. But he was a better overall player in the Cover 2 last year because he's better fit for that system. That's why he hasn't done anything for you lately, as you put it. He's been in Bates' system lately. All of your observations of him in this system I agree with. I don't even know how I ended up arguing with you.
7:13pm, October 28, 2009
hannconn
Also, I love hearing all these NFL Coaches, or maybe dipshits (Jon Gruden and his Pewter Report Possie ), saying how bad Freeman will be before they even see him start a game. It'ss funny because if you look at the NFL, typically it takes a team a couple of years to rebuild. Plus think of guys like Jamarcus Russell, he was going to be awesome along with the running back out there, whats his name again. Plus also don't forget a couple of guys they started their careers about 15 years ago withus, Derrick Brooks and Warrick Dunn, neither of them was supposedto beable to play in this league and look at the careers they had.
7:31pm, October 28, 2009
lprock22
7:58pm, October 28, 2009
roster
7:58pm, October 28, 2009
Warthog
Even if Freeman sucks this year they will stick with him for at least another season before deciding whether he's worth keeping.
Which is the right move - some QBs take a while to develop and you have to accept some serious growing pains in the first place.
And for those who are still upset that such a developmental prospect was drafted in the first round, build a bridge and get the heck over it. It happened and he'll be the starter for a while now, regardless of the quality of his play.
Josh, i'm rooting for ya.
7:59pm, October 28, 2009
dcrum35
Apparantley he isn't a fan of the team and his schtick is getting real old. He is probably a pathetic loser living in his mom's basement. Just ignore him and focus on football.
8:00pm, October 28, 2009
ledphones
9:02pm, October 28, 2009
tummler1
9:02pm, October 28, 2009
pewterpirate99
The front office is clueless when it comes to evaluate talent and if that front office doesn't change in the off season, next year will be very similar to this one.
9:32pm, October 28, 2009
jongruden
10:11pm, October 28, 2009
freeman27
Of course, an entirely plausible scenario is one where the Glazers have OK'd this move, and given the two assurances regarding job security. Maybe, maybe not. The point is that your argument is based on the assumption that such communication has definitely not taken place. These are young guys, in positions for the first time. It seems to me a definite possibility that ownership has given some input here.
If ownership did approve this move, then it seems that you are on board with Freeman promotion, given his success is tied to the long term success of the Bucs, which is my only concern, and which you said you agree with.
Good.
10:38pm, October 28, 2009
twan01
Morris and Dominik had this plan all along and it's been written all season that Freeman would start after the bye week. this is no surprise, would be more of a surprise if he wasn't named starter.
coming into this season i saw the offense as a strong point and the defense as a work in progress, but after 7 games, the entire team, from coaches down to the water boys is a work in progress. we're rebuilding and this season is a wash, period.
but we aren't 0-7 because of Freeman, so i wish him luck and success, because he's in there until he gets hurt. what's funny is the team has been coached badly at times and the "veteran" players that we do have, have played badly at most other times. from the O-Line to the D-Backs. some of this blame goes not only to Morris, Olsen, Bates and Dominik, but also the players that have been on the roster for a couple, three, four years. there's missed blocking assignments, which for this line is unacceptable, especially with a young QB back there, there's been numerous dropped balls, wrong routes, untimely penalties (dating back to last season), many, many missed tackles (and that dates back to last season), blown coverages, no pressure from the front four (also dating back to last season), and a partridge in a pear freakin tree.
so i'm not only blaming this train wreck on the coaches, i'm laying the blame where most of you have failed to put it...on these players. agree or not, but 85% of the starters from last years squad is out there stinkin it up. no one has consistently stepped up their game, yeah theres been plays made here and there, but i don't care what the coaches call, one missed block can ruin the best play call, one guy not where he is supposed to be, missing a tackle, will keep a young D on the field to get exposed. not saying that Morris and Dominik haven't made their mistakes, because they have and will and we knew that when they were hired, but they don't look any worse than the longest tenured coach in Tennessee.
Here's to a new era, hope it's better than Dilfer's reign as a Buc first round QB was, but let's face it, we've only ever had one franchise QB that we could say was a strong point of our team and that was Doug Williams (and he was let go). there has been no other QB in Bucs history that went out there and just dominated. so Freeman can do no worse. and those two guys that were selected ahead of him aren't exactly out there being this years Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco either. He's gonna make plays and blow plays, that's the life of a rookie. especially one playing on this years squad. we'll be 0-16 when it's said and done, but this is all for next year and beyond. that was written early on and i didn't want to believe it, but the writing is on the wall.
Good Luck Bucs!!! Freeman is going to need it!
1:16am, October 29, 2009
scubog
What's amazing to me is that it's clear that some of you, so called fans, would prefer Freeman to fail just so you can profess to be right. Are your lives that pathetic? Shouldn't we all want Freeman and every other player to succeed? I was never too keen on the Dexter Jackson pick but I didn't want him to be a bust.
As a fan who has endured every failed attempt to get a great QB, I certainly don't hope this one does so we can try again next season.
For me this is a 16 game 2010 preseason. I don't think inserting Leftwich so we can win a game or two makes any sense either. Heck, we'd be 0-7 with any of you posters at QB. I don't want the team to go winless because of the stigma that goes along with it, but after that I want the highest draft pick possible.
6:20am, October 29, 2009
bucfan47
That's the difference. You can't look at just interceptions. If anyone knows anything about football, you could tell even as a rookie in the NFL that Peyton Manning was going to be special. The interceptions always come as part of adjusting to the speed of the game. As time goes on, the interceptions numbers come down. He was throwing from day 1 and has always put up big numbers in the passing game.
That's a terrible argument if you really want to know.
8:16am, October 29, 2009
bucfan47
Ok, if you answer YES, I don't want to go 0-16, why are you pulling for Freeman to play instead of Leftwich again? Priceless.
By playing Freeman, Morris and Olson are in agreement that getting him experience is more important than winning a couple games and keeping their jobs.
I mean, honestly, no wonder fans are calling him Radio. That's a serious case of being a tard.
8:19am, October 29, 2009
Sherm48
This is a little like parenting. You help the kid up on his bike, point him in the right direction, and stand by ready to help out, which you do less and less over time. You watch the kid make mistakes, hopefully only small ones, and gradually he makes fewer and fewer of them. Then one day you see him emerge as a confident grownup (who will still make mistakes, by the way).
Go out there and give it your shot, No. 5. Keep taking steps in the right direction. It won't come all at once. And you're gonna hear it along the way from the naysayers and morons (you probably don't know who you are, but the rest of us do). And don't worry about "winning one." Just make play after play. The winning will take care of itself. That's how winners win. Best of luck, 5. Go Bucs!
8:23am, October 29, 2009
Vision2499
For what is ideally a Buccaneers fan site, I see very few people even bothering to type 'Go Bucs'. Even what that happens, half the time it's a disclaimer, i.e. "I really hope they succeed.... however..." and then it goes on into more doom and gloom fortune telling crap. Yea, we'll have a pretty bad record, I get it. We all get it. You don't need a master's degree to tell us that an 0-7 team has issues, really no pedestal necessary to stand on there.
On top of that, the people that ATTEMPT to leave supporting comments past the usual 'Go Bucs' or other generic statement are attacked and belittled. Again, it's a bad team, a terrible team, quite obviously one of the worst in the NFL right now. But this is a Buccaneer fan site, and by definition a fan likes and supports his/her team. If doing that is cause for being called an idiot, inaccurate, or one of many other names, I'm not sure why people don't pick one of many other forums made for that purpose. Worst of all, people are making jokes about alliances and taking sides in arguments over every detail possible concerning this team. Seems that with a bad record comes the bad attitudes.
9:42am, October 29, 2009
bucfan47
I think the Bucs need to really attempt to make a legit run at Suh. Continuing on it's efforts to improve the D-line which started with Haynesworth. Maybe the one positive out of missing on him is that this kid Suh turns out to be really special. He's certainly got the ability physically it appears. Most everything hinges on QB play, so hopefully this playing time can help Freeman enough that life starting next season will be better to the point we can win those 5-6 games I projected this season. If we can win 4-6 next year, I think that's a step in the right direction.
The team needs to spend alot of time preparing for next years draft, as they must improve that area more-so than anything else they do. The team is in dire-need of talent, and right now it seems as if that's the major area lacking. Only a few athletes that have the ability to rise above.
10:02am, October 29, 2009
freeman27
10:16am, October 29, 2009
theGarv
He has ALL the tools and just needs reps and experience.
Raheem will be the HC next year and Freeman will be the QB. He is going to struggle at first. Stupid "fans" will jump all over him of course, calling for God know's who.
Grow up. Root for this kid and watch him grow. He needs to get better. But with our crappy defense, do not cry when the wins don't come. This is an important step for the future of this team and namby pamby loud mouthed idiots that know about as much about football as I do chemistry need to support this team. It is what it is and has been since the Royal's fired Jon and Bruce.
Good luck Josh! I, and most loyal fans, are with you all the way.
Free pass this season IMO.
10:38am, October 29, 2009
bucfan47
I just don't see how Morris validates playing him when his ball club is still winless. How's he feel that Freeman gives him the best chance at winning a game is beyond me, but it's still his ship to sail at this point. We'll see.
10:59am, October 29, 2009
tjhuth
pinkstob, scubog and twan01 -
Good comments - way to stay positive.
bf47 - when did you and Leftwitch tie the knot! Congrats.
cremdonado - when did you and bf47 tie the knot! Congrats.
JohnGruden - when did you ... oh never mind.
Geeezzz guys. None of you KNOW what Freeman will be like as a starter. At least have the courtesy to wish the kid well.
We all know that he will make mistakes and all, but let's hope with each game he grows as a qb.
GO BUCS! GO FREEMAN! Let's get behind this kid.
12:23pm, October 29, 2009
tjhuth
I'd rather start him now - when we have absolutely nothing to lose while he is learning.
12:27pm, October 29, 2009
bucfan47
Morris panicked and pulled him after three weeks, much too early if you ask me, and he's gotten beaten up pretty heavily for it on the National airwaves. Which is fine, first time coach, everyone expects them to fail. What I would have liked to have seen is for Morris to have the guts to stick with him. I live in Knoxville, and you wouldn't believe it if I told you that for the first four weeks of the season, Lane Kiffin was under enormous pressures to bench the starting QB and put in the backup. You know, the younger guy with more upside. Well, he stuck to his guns and now, it's funny that everyone down here is pulling for Crompton to succeed, and it's hilarious that most people who were hating him two weeks ago, now are the same ones pulling for him after his impressive performances against Georgia and Alabama.
Leftwich was the Bucs best bet at winning a few games this season. It should have been the plan and I believe it FULLY was at the start of the season, but something changed mid-cycle that made Morris panic, made him rethink his strategy and start playing the younger players and that decision has totally backfired.
I mean, we've been playing Johnson for the last few weeks and all his experience is never going to matter b/c we all knew Freeman was the QB that eventually this season was going to get the nod. Why Morris elected to play a guy with no experience over the guy that gave you the best chance at winning one game is totally beyond me. I'll never understand it.
I just hope that Morris isn't replaced after this season b/c of it. If the money situation is that bad, Morris may feel very confident in playing these youngsters and cotinuing to lose b/c he knows ownership is so money strapped they aren't going to fire him regardless of the win/loss record in year 1.
And that maybe true by the way. But even if it's true, Morris should take winning more seriously over playing all these young guys just for the sake of avoiding the embarassment us fans will have to endure if the team goes 0-16. It's actually pretty difficult to manage to remain winless in the NFL, and Tampa is proving that theory wrong each and every week.
They are proving it's not that hard to lose every game, if you're committed to playing young players at key positions at the expense of even being competitive.
Just go down the line and compare Freeman to the other starters he's about to face...Take a look
Freeman < Rogers = Loss
Freeman < Henne = Loss
Freeman < Brees = Blowout loss
Freeman < Ryan = Loss
Freeman < Sanchez = Loss
Freeman < Hasselback = Loss
I mean, they have no shot at winning a game with him under center, and I just don't understand the strategy. Folks, coaches do things on purpose. Say what you will, but I fully believe these are very smart people.
Think what you want, but I fully think Jeff Fisher wore the Manning jersey on purpose to that fundraising event. He's worn out his welcome and my bet is he realizes the CBA is on it's way to not being signed, and guess what? Tennessee is not the place you want to be if there is no salary cap in the NFL. You want to be in a large market, and don't think for a minute that Jeff Fisher or any of these other coaches don't realize it.
My point of bringing him up is that Morris absolutely MUST, MUST know that he can't win a game with Freeman, just like he had to know with a minimum 95% confidence he wasn't going to win one with Johnson either.
But the guy doesn't care. The question is WHY? HOW? How can he NOT care? The only explanation I got is that he feels very confident he's not getting canned after this season. That's got to be the only answer. Either that or he simply don't care. Because no coach in the NFL plays games just for experience. They play to win games, and our coach right now is not doing that to me.
2:10pm, October 29, 2009
skanji65
bucsfan47 - not sure why you are so infatuated with getting a couple of wins this year. I dont think there is any difference in going 2-14 or 0-16, losing is losing. We still are an inferior team with inferior talent and coaches. The only thing we can get out of this season is player development. Who shows promise should stay, those that dont should be shown the door. That simple. Cant do that with Lefty bumbling around for 12 weeks trying to get us a couple of wins. Less development for Freeman. Does anyone remeber Miami going 1-15 before putting together a great year last season and fielding a competitive team this year?
Good luck Freeman. Hopefully you can utilize your physical tools to be a decent, young QB for us. We havent had one in quite some time. And I better not catch you partying at Kennedy the night before an away game flight again.
4:05pm, October 29, 2009
bucdiesel
If they want to give Freeman any chance to succeed at Greenbay they need to pound him with blitz situations the next two weeks. Force him to make fast decisions. Our offense is struggling partly because the defensive front four sucks so bad so there's no real competition. The bad thing for him is that after reading about Morris' stupendous bye week criteria he won't be getting any extra work in. Morris says this was decided upon along time ago and they're not deviating. Wow!!!some said Gruden was stubborn, looks like Morris is worse. Atleast Gruden knew how to make adjustments. I feel bad for you Josh. I missed rhe Patriots game but plan to catch your first start. I gave JJ a chance so I will give you more. The young man got a little better each year so I hope he gets better each game.
6:01pm, October 29, 2009
scubog
I didn't compare Manning to Freeman because we have nothing from Freeman to compare. He only took a few snaps in "garbage time" of a meaningless 4th quarter. What I was saying is that we shouldn't expect much from any rookie QB because they all, even the great ones, struggle. I never even used the words interception TD's in my post.
I should have known it would ruffle you if I made a comment about Leftwich who was your choice, and mine I might add, as the starter at the beginning of the season. But now that the season is half over having Leftwich in there isn't going to mean anything different than when he was in there even if we won three games instead of one. I think your prediction with Leftwich was a dismal three wasn't it?
Funny comment you made earlier that it was hard to remain positive. You haven't been positive about anything since the Glazers fired Gruden.
5:57am, October 30, 2009
bucfan47
No excuses if he fails to lead this team to a single victory, with or without veteran players.
And scu, I'm not for playing Freeman now. No chance at winning a ball game and I'm not for experience. Let these guys get some experience in practice and let Freeman play the last four games of the season. Just because Morris f*cked up the first half of the season by going with Johnson, doesn't mean he should get a free pass and the old "Oh Well, let's just lose em all" mentality by playing everyone on the roster.
I mean, who in their honest to god right minds thought Josh Johnson deserved to play a game this season? Seriously, given the facts we know. He wasn't practicing with the first team or the second team I might add. Yet they "Morris" made the statement that Johnson was the kind of player that didn't need a whole lot of reps. He was ready. REALLY?
I don't care about getting Freeman experience. I care about getting Freeman experience when he's ready. The coach's obviously think he is, but what reason do I have to believe they are right here? Morris doesn't know an NFL roster is comprised of 53 players. Why should I believe anything he says? Why should I believe he's smart enough to realize what he's doing? He didn't even know the 3rd quarter has cost us any chance at winning a game this season. I mean, the guys a joke.
I don't know whether to call the guy Radio or the Joker. I really like both.
10:10am, October 30, 2009
Pewterdude
And to think many on this board who thought that a few of us who picked the Bucs to win only 4 games were being "negative".........????
It was inevitable that Freeman would be starter this season as the easily predictable losses would pile up considering the schedule, and this is the ushering in of a new era in Tampa at the QB position.
Freeman must be played to begin his developmental process at reading defenses, the speed of the pro game, the timing of his throws, and properly making his progression of his checkdowns as he learns the complexity of the pro game and it will be ugly at times IMO but his raw athleticism just may give this team a win. This will continue to be ugly but the future is now and hopefully the Glazers sell the team or use the reported $30 million in the projected uncapped season next year in 2010.
If the team is not saving it's cap money for the uncapped 2010 season and continues it's cost cutting and saving ways under the veil of building through the draft and the youth movement, then I will no longer support such a cheap regime and find it impossible to even watch this undermanned and ridiculously assembled group.
I can't even TiVo the Bucs because I have no interest in even watching them but it will be interesting to watch the Freeman era begin with the continued youth movement and watching the Caddy grow and stay healthy.
THIS WOULD HAVE NEVER HAPPENED UNDER THE GRUDEN WATCH WITH ALLEN AS GM.....IT WAS JUST PLAIN WRONG AND IT'S JUST A SHAME..
Starting Freeman is the only thing that makes sense at this stage and I hope the very best for him and hope the Glazers spend aggressively in the upcoming season along with the several very high draft picks in each round that they should be in a position to select.
Let the new era begin and let's usher it in with patience, optimisim, and hope that mgt. will cough up the dough to surround the youngsters with the talent to TRULY rebuild successfully without completely losing it's fanbase.
1:33am, November 1, 2009
Pewterdude
1:41am, November 1, 2009
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Prediction time:
After 4 games as starter, Freeman's QB rating will not only be lower than Leftwich's, it will even be lower than JJ's.