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 Head coach Raheem Morris retained offensive coordinator Greg Olson for two more seasons (Getty) |
While Tampa Bay's defensive coordinator position remains unsettled heading into 2010, PewterReport.com is reporting that Greg Olson will return as offensive coordinator. The Bucs have extended Olson's contract, which was set to expire at season's end. The Bucs want QB Josh Freeman to have continuity in the same system.
Tampa Bay may not know who will be leading its defense in 2010 with the demotion of coordinator Jim Bates, but the team has already taken steps to solidify the offensive side of the ball.
PewterReport.com is reporting that the Bucs have signed offensive coordinator Greg Olson to a contract extension to remain in his current position for at least the 2010 season.
Olson, who was in the final year of his contract prior to signing the extension, was hired to be the team’s quarterbacks coach before the 2008 season, and was promoted to coordinator prior to the ‘09 preseason finale when Tampa Bay fired offensive coordinator Jeff Jagodzinski on September 3. Olson signed a multi-year extension several weeks ago, but there is a stipulation for 2011 in case there is a league-wide lockout and a cancellation of that year's regular season. The exact terms of the contract were not disclosed to PewterReport.com.
Retaining Olson allows the Bucs to have system and coaching continuity for quarterback Josh Freeman, which was a big factor in the Tampa Bay’s decision to retain Olson. The 21-year old Freeman was the Bucs’ first-round pick in the 2009 NFL Draft and is the team’s franchise quarterback. The Glazer family, along with general manager Mark Dominik and head coach Raheem Morris wanted to have Freeman grow within the same system from his first year to his second year, which is when NFL players traditionally have been known to show the most improvement. Changing coordinators and offenses on an annual basis has been known to stunt the development of many young quarterbacks.
“Continuity within the coaching staff and within the system is key,” Olson said. “Whether you talk to a Peyton Manning or a Drew Brees or a Tom Brady that have been able to stay in the same system, it has been positive for the development of the quarterback. I believe we have the right system here and we’ll grow from the right system. There will be some changes [in the offseason], but I think what we’ll bring as an offensive staff and what I will bring as a coordinator will be moving forward. We’re not where we need to be by any means. Certainly I’m not happy at this point and we’re going to get better. We’ve got to get better.”
Freeman is 1-2 in his first three NFL starts this year, and has thrown for 543 yards while completing 51 percent of his passes with five touchdowns and five interceptions. The Bucs have the 29th-ranked offense through 10 games with the 23rd-ranked rushing game and the 27th-ranked passing attack in the NFL.
The production of Olson’s system, which is a combination of Jagodzinski’s offense, Jon Gruden’s successful plays and his own plays from his days as St. Louis’ play-caller, has been stymied due to his late start taking over the play-calling duties and the fact that he has had to start three quarterbacks this year, including two with zero NFL experience in Freeman and second-year player Josh Johnson.
The Bucs expect better results with Olson having a full offseason to implement his own offense and more time to develop Freeman’s skills.
“I’ve learned under some of the better offensive minds in the league in Jon Gruden, Steve Mariucci and Scott Linehan, and some of the college guys in Joe Tiller and Dennis Erickson, throughout my career. I’ve taken a little bit from everybody,” Olson said. “I want to be a stretch-the-field guy. I think it’s important in today’s game to have a solid vertical passing game. I think I learned the value of personnel and formation from Coach Gruden – the value of getting people in the right places and constantly changing the on-field personnel [during games] to cause confusion on the defense with different formations. I think we have a quarterback in Josh Freeman that can allow us to go vertical. To me, if you look at teams that are throwing, they have solid rushing numbers. We still feel like we can run the ball effectively, but with the continued development of Josh Freeman we can push the ball down the field more.”
Olson said that while he is heavily involved in the passing game due to the fact that he also serves as the team’s quarterbacks coach, he is not necessarily a pass-first play-caller.
“Every game is different. Every week is different,” Olson said. “I would never like to come out and say we’re going to be a pass, pass, pass, pass team. We’re going to study our opponent each week and decide where their weaknesses are scheme-wise and personnel-wise and see where the match-ups are in our favor. If the match-up is in our favor with our offensive line versus their defensive line, you might see a more run-oriented game plan. If the match-ups are better outside, you might see more passing involved in our game plan. In today’s game, you have to be able to throw the football and generate explosive plays to score points in this league. It’s about scoring points. That’s our job. You’ve got to have a quarterback, and we feel like we have that guy.”
Olson admitted that carrying both the offensive coordinator title and the quarterbacks coaching title has been time-consuming this season, and he has spoken with management in order to get some help in certain areas in 2010.
“I think we’ll be looking for some help, although I’m not sure what that specific position will be,” Olson said. “I need some help with the organizational part of the meetings. I need some help that way. I will always stay involved with the quarterbacks, so whether we hire a quarterbacks coach or an offensive assistant position – I don’t know if they have made that decision yet. I’m certainly comfortable doing both, but it would obviously be favorable to all of us to get some help in that area with all of the organizational aspects of it.”
During this past offseason, Olson was disappointed that he was not allowed to interview for the offensive coordinator position last January. Originally, he was told he was going to have the opportunity to interview, but the interview never took place. Morris wanted to hire to Olson as the offensive coordinator, but the Glazers and general manager Mark Dominik favored a coordinator like Jagodzinski that had NFL experience in addition to head coaching experience that Morris could lean on in his first year as a head coach.
Olson was restricted from leaving the organization despite the fact that Kansas City was interested in having him serve as the Chiefs’ quarterbacks coach and offensive coordinator. Olson is good friends with new Chiefs head coach Todd Haley, but Dominik and the Glazers would not let Olson out of his contract.
After taking over as offensive coordinator, Olson started to expand the playbook that Jagodzinski had installed. The Bucs organization felt that Jagodzinski’s playbook was too small, and was not advanced enough in terms of pass protection. Olson worked on those issues, and brought back some of the plays that the offense executed well in the 2008 season under Gruden.
Olson served as the offensive coordinator for the St. Louis Rams for the 2006 and 2007 seasons. The ’06 Rams were sixth in the NFL in total offense with the third ranked passing offense. The offense had a quarterback (Marc Bulger), running back (Steven Jackson), and wide receiver (Torry Holt) selected to the Pro Bowl. After the 2007 season, Olson was fired by the Rams and was hired by Gruden to replace Paul Hackett as Tampa Bay’s quarterbacks coach.
In his career, Olson has also coached former Buccaneers quarterback Jeff Garcia to the Pro Bowl when they were together with the San Francisco 49ers. Olson developed and recruited quarterback Drew Brees to Purdue in the late 1990s. In 2003, Olson was the quarterbacks coach for the Chicago Bears, and served in that capacity for the Detroit Lions in 2004. In 2005, Olson was the Lions quarterback coach and became the offensive coordinator midway through the season.
While the Bucs will be looking to stabilize the defensive side of the coaching staff, the system and the coordinator are already in place next year on the offensive side of the ball with Olson’s contract extension.
“I look forward to finishing on a high note, but also having an entire offseason to implement what we want to do systematically,” Olson said. “Right now we’re focused on one game at a time and trying to get our next win.”
PewterReport.com is reporting that the Bucs have signed offensive coordinator Greg Olson to a contract extension to remain in his current position for at least the 2010 season.
Olson, who was in the final year of his contract prior to signing the extension, was hired to be the team’s quarterbacks coach before the 2008 season, and was promoted to coordinator prior to the ‘09 preseason finale when Tampa Bay fired offensive coordinator Jeff Jagodzinski on September 3. Olson signed a multi-year extension several weeks ago, but there is a stipulation for 2011 in case there is a league-wide lockout and a cancellation of that year's regular season. The exact terms of the contract were not disclosed to PewterReport.com.
Retaining Olson allows the Bucs to have system and coaching continuity for quarterback Josh Freeman, which was a big factor in the Tampa Bay’s decision to retain Olson. The 21-year old Freeman was the Bucs’ first-round pick in the 2009 NFL Draft and is the team’s franchise quarterback. The Glazer family, along with general manager Mark Dominik and head coach Raheem Morris wanted to have Freeman grow within the same system from his first year to his second year, which is when NFL players traditionally have been known to show the most improvement. Changing coordinators and offenses on an annual basis has been known to stunt the development of many young quarterbacks.
“Continuity within the coaching staff and within the system is key,” Olson said. “Whether you talk to a Peyton Manning or a Drew Brees or a Tom Brady that have been able to stay in the same system, it has been positive for the development of the quarterback. I believe we have the right system here and we’ll grow from the right system. There will be some changes [in the offseason], but I think what we’ll bring as an offensive staff and what I will bring as a coordinator will be moving forward. We’re not where we need to be by any means. Certainly I’m not happy at this point and we’re going to get better. We’ve got to get better.”
Freeman is 1-2 in his first three NFL starts this year, and has thrown for 543 yards while completing 51 percent of his passes with five touchdowns and five interceptions. The Bucs have the 29th-ranked offense through 10 games with the 23rd-ranked rushing game and the 27th-ranked passing attack in the NFL.
The production of Olson’s system, which is a combination of Jagodzinski’s offense, Jon Gruden’s successful plays and his own plays from his days as St. Louis’ play-caller, has been stymied due to his late start taking over the play-calling duties and the fact that he has had to start three quarterbacks this year, including two with zero NFL experience in Freeman and second-year player Josh Johnson.
The Bucs expect better results with Olson having a full offseason to implement his own offense and more time to develop Freeman’s skills.
“I’ve learned under some of the better offensive minds in the league in Jon Gruden, Steve Mariucci and Scott Linehan, and some of the college guys in Joe Tiller and Dennis Erickson, throughout my career. I’ve taken a little bit from everybody,” Olson said. “I want to be a stretch-the-field guy. I think it’s important in today’s game to have a solid vertical passing game. I think I learned the value of personnel and formation from Coach Gruden – the value of getting people in the right places and constantly changing the on-field personnel [during games] to cause confusion on the defense with different formations. I think we have a quarterback in Josh Freeman that can allow us to go vertical. To me, if you look at teams that are throwing, they have solid rushing numbers. We still feel like we can run the ball effectively, but with the continued development of Josh Freeman we can push the ball down the field more.”
Olson said that while he is heavily involved in the passing game due to the fact that he also serves as the team’s quarterbacks coach, he is not necessarily a pass-first play-caller.
“Every game is different. Every week is different,” Olson said. “I would never like to come out and say we’re going to be a pass, pass, pass, pass team. We’re going to study our opponent each week and decide where their weaknesses are scheme-wise and personnel-wise and see where the match-ups are in our favor. If the match-up is in our favor with our offensive line versus their defensive line, you might see a more run-oriented game plan. If the match-ups are better outside, you might see more passing involved in our game plan. In today’s game, you have to be able to throw the football and generate explosive plays to score points in this league. It’s about scoring points. That’s our job. You’ve got to have a quarterback, and we feel like we have that guy.”
Olson admitted that carrying both the offensive coordinator title and the quarterbacks coaching title has been time-consuming this season, and he has spoken with management in order to get some help in certain areas in 2010.
“I think we’ll be looking for some help, although I’m not sure what that specific position will be,” Olson said. “I need some help with the organizational part of the meetings. I need some help that way. I will always stay involved with the quarterbacks, so whether we hire a quarterbacks coach or an offensive assistant position – I don’t know if they have made that decision yet. I’m certainly comfortable doing both, but it would obviously be favorable to all of us to get some help in that area with all of the organizational aspects of it.”
During this past offseason, Olson was disappointed that he was not allowed to interview for the offensive coordinator position last January. Originally, he was told he was going to have the opportunity to interview, but the interview never took place. Morris wanted to hire to Olson as the offensive coordinator, but the Glazers and general manager Mark Dominik favored a coordinator like Jagodzinski that had NFL experience in addition to head coaching experience that Morris could lean on in his first year as a head coach.
Olson was restricted from leaving the organization despite the fact that Kansas City was interested in having him serve as the Chiefs’ quarterbacks coach and offensive coordinator. Olson is good friends with new Chiefs head coach Todd Haley, but Dominik and the Glazers would not let Olson out of his contract.
After taking over as offensive coordinator, Olson started to expand the playbook that Jagodzinski had installed. The Bucs organization felt that Jagodzinski’s playbook was too small, and was not advanced enough in terms of pass protection. Olson worked on those issues, and brought back some of the plays that the offense executed well in the 2008 season under Gruden.
Olson served as the offensive coordinator for the St. Louis Rams for the 2006 and 2007 seasons. The ’06 Rams were sixth in the NFL in total offense with the third ranked passing offense. The offense had a quarterback (Marc Bulger), running back (Steven Jackson), and wide receiver (Torry Holt) selected to the Pro Bowl. After the 2007 season, Olson was fired by the Rams and was hired by Gruden to replace Paul Hackett as Tampa Bay’s quarterbacks coach.
In his career, Olson has also coached former Buccaneers quarterback Jeff Garcia to the Pro Bowl when they were together with the San Francisco 49ers. Olson developed and recruited quarterback Drew Brees to Purdue in the late 1990s. In 2003, Olson was the quarterbacks coach for the Chicago Bears, and served in that capacity for the Detroit Lions in 2004. In 2005, Olson was the Lions quarterback coach and became the offensive coordinator midway through the season.
While the Bucs will be looking to stabilize the defensive side of the coaching staff, the system and the coordinator are already in place next year on the offensive side of the ball with Olson’s contract extension.
“I look forward to finishing on a high note, but also having an entire offseason to implement what we want to do systematically,” Olson said. “Right now we’re focused on one game at a time and trying to get our next win.”
Comments
ancil
10:33pm, November 24, 2009
Ladyfan
I applaud the concept of having continuity for the Qb and the offense in general. Lord knows the team can use more of that in all phases. So at least, we'll have that with the offense to look forward to. That brings up the question as to whether or not Olsen can actually do that job. Given the confusing and every changing circumstances this season which were out of Coach Olsen's control, its fair to say, we have no idea what he can do or can't do....best though to ride this horse until we know for sure and then act accordingly.
Wish Coach Olsen the best. Hope this aspect of the team becomes truly solid and producing the kinds of scoring that we all crave.
Wish Coach Olsen the best. Hope this aspect of the team becomes truly solid and producing the kinds of scoring that we all crave.
10:40pm, November 24, 2009
hwaii50
Out freakin standing !!!! Personally I like what he brings to the table. I know his history and frankly what we have right now on offense is primarily the crap he inherited from underqualified Jagz. It is very important that a young QB has consistency for the first several years of their development....just ask Jason Campbell. What's he on...number 5 ?
I have been onboard since 1976 and I bleed Orange. I like the direction that this team is heading. What we are going through is cyclic...it's called growing pains. Up's and downs..I was a Gruden fan but got really tired of being average.
I am looking ahead to 2011..this will be an awesome team. Check your history. Bill Belicheck was horrible in Cleveland...look what happened when he went to NE and built his team.
Go Bucs!
I have been onboard since 1976 and I bleed Orange. I like the direction that this team is heading. What we are going through is cyclic...it's called growing pains. Up's and downs..I was a Gruden fan but got really tired of being average.
I am looking ahead to 2011..this will be an awesome team. Check your history. Bill Belicheck was horrible in Cleveland...look what happened when he went to NE and built his team.
Go Bucs!
11:02pm, November 24, 2009
chucky love
Oh my god ............i guess Raheem is next
11:03pm, November 24, 2009
chucky love
hwaii50, could you please send me some of what you are smoking as soon as possible. I am living in the real world and 1-9 is making me very sad.
11:07pm, November 24, 2009
hwaii50
chucky love..be patient.
This is a total and complete makeover of a very average team. They will be worse before they get better. It's called growth and this team is being built for the long haul..not just "right now". I see that there is a plan and a goal. Be patient.
This is a total and complete makeover of a very average team. They will be worse before they get better. It's called growth and this team is being built for the long haul..not just "right now". I see that there is a plan and a goal. Be patient.
11:26pm, November 24, 2009
hwaii50
Oh...chuckie love : one more thing...this is a direct quote from the Tampa Trib about Grudens's average team:
By IRA KAUFMAN
TAMPA—If that Super Bowl victory seems like eons ago, here’s why.
Overall, the Bucs haven’t been a very good team since 2003. In fact, they’ve been lousy.
Tampa Bay has played 106 regular-season games since that glorious Super Bowl rout against the Raiders and the Bucs have managed to lose 60 of them. That 46-60 mark since ‘03 represents one of the worst cumulative records in the NFL and Tampa Bay is also 0-2 in the postseason during that span.
The Glazers say they are in the NFL to win championships, but this is the seventh consecutive season that the Bucs have failed to legitimately be in the hunt for a Lombardi Trophy.
The Bucs have won only once in their last 14 outings, yielding an average of 30 points per game since defensive coordinator Monte Kiffin announced his departure to the University of Tennessee last December.
Only Detroit has allowed more points than Tampa Bay this season as the Bucs battle the Rams, Browns and Lions for the dubious honor of picking first in the April draft.
By IRA KAUFMAN
TAMPA—If that Super Bowl victory seems like eons ago, here’s why.
Overall, the Bucs haven’t been a very good team since 2003. In fact, they’ve been lousy.
Tampa Bay has played 106 regular-season games since that glorious Super Bowl rout against the Raiders and the Bucs have managed to lose 60 of them. That 46-60 mark since ‘03 represents one of the worst cumulative records in the NFL and Tampa Bay is also 0-2 in the postseason during that span.
The Glazers say they are in the NFL to win championships, but this is the seventh consecutive season that the Bucs have failed to legitimately be in the hunt for a Lombardi Trophy.
The Bucs have won only once in their last 14 outings, yielding an average of 30 points per game since defensive coordinator Monte Kiffin announced his departure to the University of Tennessee last December.
Only Detroit has allowed more points than Tampa Bay this season as the Bucs battle the Rams, Browns and Lions for the dubious honor of picking first in the April draft.
11:36pm, November 24, 2009
surferdudes
If this guy wasn't brought in by Gruden I'd be worried, he's not a Morris, Dom hire. It looks like Morris will get 2010 to right the ship. I hope he learns from this years mistakes,and gets us going in the right direction. The writeings on the wall gang, he'll be back, good luck Buc nation.
11:37pm, November 24, 2009
jongruden
I actually think this was a good move, you need your young qb to develop a relationship with his coach and system, i don't think the system has failed but rather the players have failed the system. Receivers can't get open and when they do they drop the ball ( Clayton) so this was a good move. Defense is the real problem and they are putrid.
12:06am, November 25, 2009
JDouble
Our offensive play calling this year makes me wanna vomit, so my first reaction to this was nausea. I wanted Olsen to get a contract extension.....as the QB coach. It is important for Freeman to have stability, but I would of liked to keep Olsen on as the QB coach and signed a REAL offensive coordinator next year. You know, like one with actual experience.
I'll just tell myself that Olsen's offense only makes me sick this year because he is stuck running mostly Jag's playbook, and he'll craft his own playbook over the off season which will result in a fresh and exciting offense next year....even as I typed that I was thinking "yeah right!"
This sucks. What this is, is a clear signal that the Glazers are not changing course next year, not spending money on a real coach like Cowher or Shannahan. They haven't learned their lesson and will continue on this blind leading the blind path for the foreseeable future. I'm just gonna stop now cause I feel like throwing shit at my monitor.
I officially hate the Glazers.
I'll just tell myself that Olsen's offense only makes me sick this year because he is stuck running mostly Jag's playbook, and he'll craft his own playbook over the off season which will result in a fresh and exciting offense next year....even as I typed that I was thinking "yeah right!"
This sucks. What this is, is a clear signal that the Glazers are not changing course next year, not spending money on a real coach like Cowher or Shannahan. They haven't learned their lesson and will continue on this blind leading the blind path for the foreseeable future. I'm just gonna stop now cause I feel like throwing shit at my monitor.
I officially hate the Glazers.
12:27am, November 25, 2009
MVP
It is true that great QBs have had the same coordinators for awhile. I think Peyton has been with the same system for his whole career. What's more is that with how the Bucs are doing their probably isn't a team that is going to want him as a HC so he has time to work with Freeman.
What I most want to see is Freeman start developing as a QB who could play under center and clean up his accuracy to raise that completion percentage. If Olsen does that I will be happy about the hire.
The DC position is another story. They better pay somebody who is really good to shore up that side of the ball. And I mean spare no expense.
What I most want to see is Freeman start developing as a QB who could play under center and clean up his accuracy to raise that completion percentage. If Olsen does that I will be happy about the hire.
The DC position is another story. They better pay somebody who is really good to shore up that side of the ball. And I mean spare no expense.
1:05am, November 25, 2009
Hawaiian Buc
I'm as frustrated as anyone about this season, but no matter what this team does, Bucs fans are going to be upset. It was like that in the Dungy days when I lived in Tampa. Making the playoffs practically every year wasn't good enough and everyone wanted Dungy out. Fine, we got Gruden and we won. Within a couple years, everyone was screaming for his head too. Everyone complained about Brooks being too old, Galloway being too old, and the team just patching together a team every year. They cut the old guys, started a youth movement, and now everyone complains we have no leadership. Everyone complains we've never had a great QB, we draft one in the first round, and everyone complains because he's not the one they wanted (because we are all such excellent college scouts). Everyone complains how terrible our DC is and how we have to get rid of him, then we do it, and now our organization is a disaster. They just did what everyone wanted them to do. Now everyone wants to fire Morris and bring in a big name, because he is the problem. The problem is that we don't have the talent to win, I don't care if Vince Lombardi is coaching us. We are below average in virtually every position, both offense and defense. Also, everyone really needs to understand this - NO BIG NAME COACH IS GOING TO COME TO TAMPA ANYTIME SOON! Get over it, and accept reality. If you don't like it, don't go to the games and watch in a couple years as they become the Los Angeles Buccaneers. Then you will complain about that too. Just be patient and stop complaining about everything the organization does. What did you expect, a major playoff run this year? Firing everyone will just set us back even further. Look at all the successful NFL teams and notice the one thing they have in common, continuity. We have a HUGE draft coming up this year, lets see what we do and see if we can actually bring in some talent this year before we run off another coach.
2:30am, November 25, 2009
twan01
this is good for the young QB period. Should continue to see him grow and mature with Olsen continuing to coach him. Playcalling and offensive scheme is a different story, guess we'll have to wait and see.
4:59am, November 25, 2009
charlespoupot
I'm with you Hawaiian Buc. I couldn't have said it better. It's always the same story. People want to change everytime, and once it happens, they whine a lot more. What did you expect from this season ??? It was obvious we were taking a step back to rebuild ... Like Hawaiian Buc, I'm not saying that I am very happy ... I'm very frustrated. But we have to do it. You all wanted to get ride of Gru (and I was OK with it) but you want to be competitive right away. IT'S NOT POSSIBLE !!! A lot of mistakes have been done too, but who are you to think you would have done better choices all the time ??? It's a lot more different to think than to do ... Be humble ...
One more time, Hawaiian Buc is right about the Los Angeles Bucs. We have to show that we are behind our team. We can criticize, and this is one of our right, but we have to be supporter too. Everything is not that bad : The move to get Winslow, Freeman, the 2nd round pick for Adams, the way Dom and Rah are correcting some of their mistakes, the 2009 draft (who look way better than the previous one).
I'm not a great supporter of Olson as OC (although he deserves one more year to create HIS offense), but I applaud the continuity for Freeman. It's very important for Freeman to work with the same guy for some year to develop in an elite QB (fingers crossed). And I applaud Rah too, because he has the balls to take over the defensive reponsability and put himself in the line of fire. He think he could fix some issues and go for it,
Make no mistakes, Rah will be here next season. My real problem is that the Galzers won't spend any of their dollars ... but I do think with a good (defensive) draft, we will be better than this year. Freeman will develop with Olson, and we will have a decent (not excellent) offense.
GO BUCS !
One more time, Hawaiian Buc is right about the Los Angeles Bucs. We have to show that we are behind our team. We can criticize, and this is one of our right, but we have to be supporter too. Everything is not that bad : The move to get Winslow, Freeman, the 2nd round pick for Adams, the way Dom and Rah are correcting some of their mistakes, the 2009 draft (who look way better than the previous one).
I'm not a great supporter of Olson as OC (although he deserves one more year to create HIS offense), but I applaud the continuity for Freeman. It's very important for Freeman to work with the same guy for some year to develop in an elite QB (fingers crossed). And I applaud Rah too, because he has the balls to take over the defensive reponsability and put himself in the line of fire. He think he could fix some issues and go for it,
Make no mistakes, Rah will be here next season. My real problem is that the Galzers won't spend any of their dollars ... but I do think with a good (defensive) draft, we will be better than this year. Freeman will develop with Olson, and we will have a decent (not excellent) offense.
GO BUCS !
5:24am, November 25, 2009
seat26
I applaud this move. assuming that the defense improves now that Bates is effectively gone, giving Freeman some consistancy is a good idea.
Add a couple of weapons in the offseason and we could see a lot of improvement.
Morris is showing that he has some intestinal fortitude.
Add a couple of weapons in the offseason and we could see a lot of improvement.
Morris is showing that he has some intestinal fortitude.
6:55am, November 25, 2009
scubog
Given the information the PR boys gave us regarding the uncertainty of the 2011 season, I think Dominik/Morris will get the 2010 season to right the ship or be forced to walk the plank.
Firing someone should always be the last resort, not the first one and should not be done based on your emotions at the time like I believe the Glazers did with Dungy after the debacle in Philly.
To which of our pro-bowlers and stars should the Glazers be writing the check? If anything, they should be getting a rebate from Clayton, Nugent, Adams, Leftwich, Crowell, Ward, Askew, Sears and Bryant. It cracks me up how people say "spend the money!" I say, "On who?
Firing someone should always be the last resort, not the first one and should not be done based on your emotions at the time like I believe the Glazers did with Dungy after the debacle in Philly.
To which of our pro-bowlers and stars should the Glazers be writing the check? If anything, they should be getting a rebate from Clayton, Nugent, Adams, Leftwich, Crowell, Ward, Askew, Sears and Bryant. It cracks me up how people say "spend the money!" I say, "On who?
7:09am, November 25, 2009
sunrisejeff
Like most people on here have commented I think this is a good move. You without a doubt need consistency with a young QB and I for one am willing to give Olson a year to put HIS offense on the field. Now lets just get a Tampa 2 D coord in here that sees eye to eye with Raheem's vision of the D, draft defense and pick up some FA's.
8:11am, November 25, 2009
gobucsgo
This is more shuffling the deck chairs on the Titanic which isn’t going to keep the ship from sinking more. The Glazers are the problem and unless they either sell the team or spend the money for better players shuffling the coaching staff will so little or nothing.
8:27am, November 25, 2009
dcrum35
Glad to see most people here giving it a chance and not whining because they aren't the Saint or Colts offense already. He has done a pretty good job with a rookie QB and no WRs.
The best thing that can happen, as history in this league shows, is for the offensive coordinator and the new young QB to stay together and grow
The best thing that can happen, as history in this league shows, is for the offensive coordinator and the new young QB to stay together and grow
8:28am, November 25, 2009
bucfan47
I'm not ready to say this is a good move, because at this point the laughing stock of football (Bucs) haven't demonstrated the ability to do anything right.
In theory, it's not a bad idea to keep your OC and/or QB Coach together with your prize possession (QB). That's only going to help him as he's young, and needs to feel comfortable enough in his relationship with these guys to work closely with them on a daily basis. That's fine. I get that.
I also think the Glazers owe Morris and Dominik another year, simply because they screwed this up from day one, and wasted all the season-ticket holders money by throwing this season down the drain. The flip side, or downside of all of this is that I'm not sold Morris can do it at all. As a matter of fact, my guess right now is that our team will be atrotious next year as well. I personnally don't see anyway around that. If true, and he's fired after next season, (For those counting at home) that's not one season, but two seasons thrown away for the sake of rebuilding for the future. Which still cracks me up by the way.
In theory, it's not a bad idea to keep your OC and/or QB Coach together with your prize possession (QB). That's only going to help him as he's young, and needs to feel comfortable enough in his relationship with these guys to work closely with them on a daily basis. That's fine. I get that.
I also think the Glazers owe Morris and Dominik another year, simply because they screwed this up from day one, and wasted all the season-ticket holders money by throwing this season down the drain. The flip side, or downside of all of this is that I'm not sold Morris can do it at all. As a matter of fact, my guess right now is that our team will be atrotious next year as well. I personnally don't see anyway around that. If true, and he's fired after next season, (For those counting at home) that's not one season, but two seasons thrown away for the sake of rebuilding for the future. Which still cracks me up by the way.
9:05am, November 25, 2009
chuckbville
bucfan47 hit on a good point - Morris and Dominik should get another season. Plus - to get better this team has to know what direction it's going. Can't cut players, add free agents, draft for the future is we don't know what offense and DEFENSE we are going to use.
RETOOLING was a lark, truth was Buc's were going to be BAD, and they should have told us not to expect much in 2009.
RETOOLING was a lark, truth was Buc's were going to be BAD, and they should have told us not to expect much in 2009.
9:52am, November 25, 2009
pinkstob
I agree Hawaiian Buc and scubog. This year the defense has sucked from beginning to end but at least the offense came out of the gate strong. When I hear Olsen speak I at least agree with his plans of how he plans to run the offense.
From the very, very beginning I didn't like Bates' plan to run a man coverage based scheme and having the DT's playing directly over the guards and being responsible for two gaps. I didn't see any other teams in the NFL having success with that type of scheme and we didn't have the personnel to run it.
bucfan47, the bucs are indeed bad but I haven't seen many articles on other websites at all that are making jokes about the Bucs. What makes them the laughing stock of the NFL? I think that title goes to the Browns or Lions. After the Bucs won this season I heard Chris Berman go on and on about the great Bucs atmosphere and even held up an creamsicle Barber jersey. Peter King only picked the Bucs to lose by 3 against the Saints.
I think certain Bucs fans are exaggerating the outside world's perception of the Bucs to coincide with their own feelings.
From the very, very beginning I didn't like Bates' plan to run a man coverage based scheme and having the DT's playing directly over the guards and being responsible for two gaps. I didn't see any other teams in the NFL having success with that type of scheme and we didn't have the personnel to run it.
bucfan47, the bucs are indeed bad but I haven't seen many articles on other websites at all that are making jokes about the Bucs. What makes them the laughing stock of the NFL? I think that title goes to the Browns or Lions. After the Bucs won this season I heard Chris Berman go on and on about the great Bucs atmosphere and even held up an creamsicle Barber jersey. Peter King only picked the Bucs to lose by 3 against the Saints.
I think certain Bucs fans are exaggerating the outside world's perception of the Bucs to coincide with their own feelings.
10:26am, November 25, 2009
dd103175
Damn Right Hawaiian Buc!!!!!! It is about time somebody said it like it is rather than opinion. You are dead on about how everyone calls for change, then they get it and complain about it. Good Post, best I have seen on here in a while!!!
10:34am, November 25, 2009
Finerdetailz
It's not suprising to see this move. Lately this organization does
everything back asswards. First we fire Gruden too fast.
We hired the wrong OC and DC. Now were offering
extensions to guys that were position coaches before the
season started. What in the hell is the rush. Do we think
other teams are going to beat down olson's door to hire
him? Why not wait to see if Freeman improves (which is the buzz word). I'm guessing Morris is back since they must have
approved this move. What a disaster. I agree with continuity but we have to start with the right pieces first. I'm not for or against Olsen but I am against the head coach and GM. What a f******. joke they are. A new head coach is needed now and he needs to be able to hire his own staff. Wake up Glazers before you lose more fans than you have already. Fire these bums now!!
everything back asswards. First we fire Gruden too fast.
We hired the wrong OC and DC. Now were offering
extensions to guys that were position coaches before the
season started. What in the hell is the rush. Do we think
other teams are going to beat down olson's door to hire
him? Why not wait to see if Freeman improves (which is the buzz word). I'm guessing Morris is back since they must have
approved this move. What a disaster. I agree with continuity but we have to start with the right pieces first. I'm not for or against Olsen but I am against the head coach and GM. What a f******. joke they are. A new head coach is needed now and he needs to be able to hire his own staff. Wake up Glazers before you lose more fans than you have already. Fire these bums now!!
10:52am, November 25, 2009
Horse
I am sorry, but I don't like this because this means Morris is coming back. So all we have done is delay his firing by one year and then Freeman has to go learn another new system.
Morris has shown zero and I mean zero management skills.
Regardless, the Bucs can win Sunday. The players are not that bad. We are only a few away from being decent. Hopefully we will have a good draft. The question I have is what type of defensive player are we going to draft to fit which type of defensive scheme?
Morris has shown zero and I mean zero management skills.
Regardless, the Bucs can win Sunday. The players are not that bad. We are only a few away from being decent. Hopefully we will have a good draft. The question I have is what type of defensive player are we going to draft to fit which type of defensive scheme?
11:09am, November 25, 2009
Finerdetailz
And upon further review. Can someone explain how one good drive, 4 turnovers, and I forget how many 3 and outs we had warrants a contract extension. I'm guessing if the offense would have done more the defense would not look so bad at times. Does Olson feel responsible in Bates' demotion. He should..it's as much as his fault..
11:12am, November 25, 2009
pewterpirate99
I agree with you JDouble regarding the signing of Olsen. I much rather him stay as our QB coach and have the cheap ass Glazers go and find a legitimate, expierenced OC.
I find it funny how some of you think that the players are not that bad or how next year will be better and things will start to turn around. You are living in fantasty land. Things will not get better for the following two reasons:
1) The people evaluating the talent coming out of college are still the same people that have been doing it for the past 5-6 years, and we all know what good talent evaluators the Bucs have I mean look at all the studs they have drafted.
2)The Glazers WILL NOT spend any money in this year's free agancy either.
Guys it all starts with the Glazers, they won't spend any money on REAL coaches and/or players. They have dug themselves this hole they're in and they are the only ones that can get the Bucs out of it. It starts with them and I don't see the commitment to winning from them.
I find it funny how some of you think that the players are not that bad or how next year will be better and things will start to turn around. You are living in fantasty land. Things will not get better for the following two reasons:
1) The people evaluating the talent coming out of college are still the same people that have been doing it for the past 5-6 years, and we all know what good talent evaluators the Bucs have I mean look at all the studs they have drafted.
2)The Glazers WILL NOT spend any money in this year's free agancy either.
Guys it all starts with the Glazers, they won't spend any money on REAL coaches and/or players. They have dug themselves this hole they're in and they are the only ones that can get the Bucs out of it. It starts with them and I don't see the commitment to winning from them.
12:36pm, November 25, 2009
JFS414
I'm totally OK with giving Freeman some continuity for the next couple of years. There are multiple examples in the league proving the importance of it. And it will be the best way to fully judge whether drafting Freeman was the right decision or not. While there have been flashes, it's still too early to tell.
My main disappointment is the thought that Morris will likely be retained as well. With the plethora of outstanding coaching candidates out there this year, it could be another colossal waist of time to give Rah another year. So, if we start out 1-7 next season, do we dump Rah mid-season, promote Olson to interim head coach, then try to find another replacement from whatever coaches get fired this year for 2011?
I understand why the Glazer's went with Rah when they decided to go with a youth movement. He seems to be a good motivator, which is someone a lot of young players need. However, I think we're at the point where we need more than just an overpaid cheerleader to lead this team.
My main disappointment is the thought that Morris will likely be retained as well. With the plethora of outstanding coaching candidates out there this year, it could be another colossal waist of time to give Rah another year. So, if we start out 1-7 next season, do we dump Rah mid-season, promote Olson to interim head coach, then try to find another replacement from whatever coaches get fired this year for 2011?
I understand why the Glazer's went with Rah when they decided to go with a youth movement. He seems to be a good motivator, which is someone a lot of young players need. However, I think we're at the point where we need more than just an overpaid cheerleader to lead this team.
12:51pm, November 25, 2009
bucfan47
JFS414 - That's right. We need a guy who knows the game, and can teach these young guys, not be a motivator. Most good coaches motivate their players without jumping up and down on the sidelines.
1:27pm, November 25, 2009
charlespoupot
pewterpirate99, I'm with you on the fact that the Glazers will not spend any dollars in free-agency and / or coaches. They're cheap and they have to keep a lot of money for Man U. I live in Europe and I can say you there isn't any salary cap in the soccer. That means you have to pay big money for big players to be competitive.
In the contrary, I think the jury is still out on the draft. Pewter Report explains few weeks ago that Allen have a total control on draft, and our director of scouting not so much. A lot of failures in the previous draft were on Allen and / or Gruden. I don't know if it's true, but we can admit in this year (without Allen and Gruden), the draft is quite good : Miller and Stroughter seems to have big upside. So is Freeman. Kyle Moore has shown some promises before his injury. We can have hope for next one ... fingers crossed
In the contrary, I think the jury is still out on the draft. Pewter Report explains few weeks ago that Allen have a total control on draft, and our director of scouting not so much. A lot of failures in the previous draft were on Allen and / or Gruden. I don't know if it's true, but we can admit in this year (without Allen and Gruden), the draft is quite good : Miller and Stroughter seems to have big upside. So is Freeman. Kyle Moore has shown some promises before his injury. We can have hope for next one ... fingers crossed
2:35pm, November 25, 2009
JDouble
You know next year might not be so bad if we persuaded Mike Holmgren to come here instead of Cleveland. He doesn't want to coach, but says he is interested in a front office position somewhere. If we had Mike Holgrem at the top of the food chain here in Tampa to help Rheem and Dom, we would likely turn this boat around much more quickly. At the very least he would limit the mistakes and damage they could do before we move on to a new regime in 2011.
2:56pm, November 25, 2009
JFS414
JDouble, fully agree with you. However, I'm having a hard time believing the Glazers would be willing to give him the control he'd be looking for. You have to give the Glazers credit for bringing in Gruden & Allen, who won a SB and straightened out the salary cap mess left by McKay. And, if they wanted to go with a younger core and were rebuffed by Gruden & Allen, then I can see where a change in management was needed.
However, it seems all of a sudden the Glazers think they’re qualified to RUN an NFL team, not just OWN one. That’s a scary proposition, with their lack of knowledge and experience in the area. The Bucs have a distinct Raideresque feel to them right now. An owner(s) who wants to make/have a hand in every decision, but is out of touch/lacks experience to make the right calls. You would think these guys have plenty of other stuff on plate to keep them busy, other than playing with one of their toys (i.e. the Bucs).
However, it seems all of a sudden the Glazers think they’re qualified to RUN an NFL team, not just OWN one. That’s a scary proposition, with their lack of knowledge and experience in the area. The Bucs have a distinct Raideresque feel to them right now. An owner(s) who wants to make/have a hand in every decision, but is out of touch/lacks experience to make the right calls. You would think these guys have plenty of other stuff on plate to keep them busy, other than playing with one of their toys (i.e. the Bucs).
3:06pm, November 25, 2009
bucfan47
JFS414 - And to me it all surrounds the old man's health problems. To me, the old man needs to be credited for bringing in Gruden and the SB Championship. Since his recent health issues have surfaced, it appears more and more the younger guys have taken over. They appear to me (just an outsider) to not have a clue about what they're doing. It appears as fact they totally were caught off guard by the purchase of the soccer team combined with the down economy. The timing was off I guess you could say. And I don't think there is any doubt it's hurting this club right now in terms of talent.
3:31pm, November 25, 2009
Kjun85
Worst News Ever!
3:36pm, November 25, 2009
pewterpirate99
bucfan47, you're absolutely right regarding that it was Malcom that went and got Jon and Bruce. Ever since the old man put a foot in the grave, these three retards have been running this team and they DON'T HAVE A CLUE to what it takes to put together a championship team. It's evident in the mistake after mistake after mistake that they have committed this year. Don't think for one second that they're not involved in ALL of the decisions being made over there. Like JFS414 said, " The Bucs have a distinct Raideresque feel to them right now. An owner(s) who wants to make/have a hand in every decision, but is out of touch/lacks experience to make the right calls." That's right on the money JFS414, except they're doing better than the Bucs. At least they're showing some signs of improvement, I mean they beat the Eagles and the Bengals. The Bucs are so sorry right now that they can't even beat their own meat!
4:31pm, November 25, 2009
trapper
The last 2 games the game anouncer kept saying over and over how WR's were running wide open but Freeman just wasnt seeing them open guys being a 3 game rookie. Between that and having the same system (pretty much) and we really need Olson to continue to teach Freeman like he did Drew Bree's..............Olson has earned a chance to prove himself considering he was hired during the year and has absolutly NO defensive help.If we had a D Olson would have one a few more games with 3 different QB's.
4:43pm, November 25, 2009
manilavanilla
dear hawaiin buc,
i'm glad that i'm not the only guy that reads these message boards and gets tired of all the BS some people write here. i really enjoy the thought of a message board. a place where the common fan can put his/her 2 cents in and hear what others think. however, too many message boards are dominated by ignorant people who spout off their opinions with very little research / evidence regarding what they're talking about. don't get me wrong - everyone is entitled to their opinion, it just disappoints me that so many are able to get away with saying ridiculous things and nobody calling them out on it. because of you i plan to do my part in 'cleaning up' these message boards and i hope you and anyone else who reads this and feels the same way will join me. lets take back our message boards!
mv
i'm glad that i'm not the only guy that reads these message boards and gets tired of all the BS some people write here. i really enjoy the thought of a message board. a place where the common fan can put his/her 2 cents in and hear what others think. however, too many message boards are dominated by ignorant people who spout off their opinions with very little research / evidence regarding what they're talking about. don't get me wrong - everyone is entitled to their opinion, it just disappoints me that so many are able to get away with saying ridiculous things and nobody calling them out on it. because of you i plan to do my part in 'cleaning up' these message boards and i hope you and anyone else who reads this and feels the same way will join me. lets take back our message boards!
mv
5:03pm, November 25, 2009
bucfan47
pewterpirate99 - I agree
6:18pm, November 25, 2009
trapper
chuckville bucfan47 has been telling you all year that the Bucs wernt gonna be any good this year, isnt that good enough,why would you want the Bucs to say before they play 16 games "oh, by the way Buc fans........were not gonna be that good this year so dont expect much Buc fans "
Yeah thats what they should have done...............lol.
Yeah thats what they should have done...............lol.
6:38pm, November 25, 2009
kysteve9
OMG Well so much for next year.
Welcome back to the Yuccaneers.
Sorry, drove 1000 miles to watch Sunday's game. Still sore where the sun doesn't shine!!!
Go Bucsss!!!! In spite of it all.
Welcome back to the Yuccaneers.
Sorry, drove 1000 miles to watch Sunday's game. Still sore where the sun doesn't shine!!!
Go Bucsss!!!! In spite of it all.
9:59pm, November 25, 2009
mobuc
I'm with you manilavanilla and Hawaiian Buc. You said it well!!
11:44pm, November 25, 2009
mkurbo
pewterpirate99 - "Raideresque" is a good analogy.
It's thanksgiving and I hope everyone has a nice holiday today ! Just remember to be thankful for what you have and all the competitive games we had under Gruden/Allen in the good ole days…
It's thanksgiving and I hope everyone has a nice holiday today ! Just remember to be thankful for what you have and all the competitive games we had under Gruden/Allen in the good ole days…
9:16am, November 26, 2009
Pewterdude
Great move IMO and Olson's track record supports his skills with his development of Mark Bulger, Brees, Garcia, and this move is GREAT for the sake of offensive continuity because Josh Freeman is TRULY A VERY GIFTED QB.
Olsen is only the 4th coach in NFL history to coach a team with a passer that had 4,000 yds (Bulger), a RB with over 1500 yds rushing in Stephen Jackson, and not one but TWO WR's with over 1,000 yds receiving all in the same year while with the Rams in 2006. That team ranked 3rd in the NFL in passing, and it's just not a coincidence about his work with Drew Brees at Purdue in "97, Garcia in "the City" in '01having a career season as well.
OUTSTANDING EXTENSION AND A VERY WISE MOVE IMO!!
Freeman is special athletically for a QB, and can make all the throws needed with velocity and touch and now has a wonderfully talented and experienced OC to develop his immense skill set. A HUGE step in the right direction IMO.
Olsen is only the 4th coach in NFL history to coach a team with a passer that had 4,000 yds (Bulger), a RB with over 1500 yds rushing in Stephen Jackson, and not one but TWO WR's with over 1,000 yds receiving all in the same year while with the Rams in 2006. That team ranked 3rd in the NFL in passing, and it's just not a coincidence about his work with Drew Brees at Purdue in "97, Garcia in "the City" in '01having a career season as well.
OUTSTANDING EXTENSION AND A VERY WISE MOVE IMO!!
Freeman is special athletically for a QB, and can make all the throws needed with velocity and touch and now has a wonderfully talented and experienced OC to develop his immense skill set. A HUGE step in the right direction IMO.
3:51am, November 30, 2009
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